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		<title>By: Wendy Parker</title>
		<link>http://www.wendyparker.org/2011/04/the-real-elephant-of-title-ix-sports-compliance/#comment-4092</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2011 17:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all I&#039;d like to thank everyone for commenting thoughtfully on a topic that for the most part lends itself to all the wrong kinds of emotions. It&#039;s too bad in the larger arena that the latter tends to be the case. 

Eric, many thanks for the kind words. I&#039;d still like to encourage the CSC to better detail its reform ideas for Title IX. There&#039;s got to be more than reinstating an interest survey and encouraging schools to add sports like cheerleading. 

Beau, if you were in CSC&#039;s shoes, how would you respond, when the athletes for whom you&#039;re advocating don&#039;t have the force of the law as female athletes do and when mainstream media treatment in general -- and not just Tuesday&#039;s piece in the NYT -- tends to be one-sided and generally not very well-informed? 

LFN, thanks for linking to your blog and letting us know you&#039;re out there. Please keep reading!

BB, I&#039;m glad schools like Clemson have decided to get good in the sports that they started primarily because of Title IX. It&#039;s too bad the NYT didn&#039;t expand its examination of &quot;underqualified&quot; female athletes into this context. 

Carey, when I was at the AJC, I wrote a story on National Girls and Women in Sports Day that I thought days like this were no longer needed. Initially my (male) editors were taken aback, but they let me write it, slapped an &quot;analysis&quot; label above the headline and I didn&#039;t have to go into hiding. But yes, your experiences delving into this topic from a critical perspective are probably not isolated. My being a woman probably helps me here, I will admit this. The great thing about being out of the MSM is that I don&#039;t have to be shackled when tackling incendiary topics. It truly has been liberating, to borrow a word. 

And Brian, I&#039;m not kidding about women&#039;s advocates fervently believing in the interest issue as they do. They truly think that the only thing keeping women from playing sports at the same rates as men is men keeping them down. About this they are as strident as any issue related to Title IX. 

I&#039;ve got some other thoughts on this subject and some reaction since last week&#039;s story that I&#039;ll post here on Monday, so stay tuned!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all I&#8217;d like to thank everyone for commenting thoughtfully on a topic that for the most part lends itself to all the wrong kinds of emotions. It&#8217;s too bad in the larger arena that the latter tends to be the case. </p>
<p>Eric, many thanks for the kind words. I&#8217;d still like to encourage the CSC to better detail its reform ideas for Title IX. There&#8217;s got to be more than reinstating an interest survey and encouraging schools to add sports like cheerleading. </p>
<p>Beau, if you were in CSC&#8217;s shoes, how would you respond, when the athletes for whom you&#8217;re advocating don&#8217;t have the force of the law as female athletes do and when mainstream media treatment in general &#8212; and not just Tuesday&#8217;s piece in the NYT &#8212; tends to be one-sided and generally not very well-informed? </p>
<p>LFN, thanks for linking to your blog and letting us know you&#8217;re out there. Please keep reading!</p>
<p>BB, I&#8217;m glad schools like Clemson have decided to get good in the sports that they started primarily because of Title IX. It&#8217;s too bad the NYT didn&#8217;t expand its examination of &#8220;underqualified&#8221; female athletes into this context. </p>
<p>Carey, when I was at the AJC, I wrote a story on National Girls and Women in Sports Day that I thought days like this were no longer needed. Initially my (male) editors were taken aback, but they let me write it, slapped an &#8220;analysis&#8221; label above the headline and I didn&#8217;t have to go into hiding. But yes, your experiences delving into this topic from a critical perspective are probably not isolated. My being a woman probably helps me here, I will admit this. The great thing about being out of the MSM is that I don&#8217;t have to be shackled when tackling incendiary topics. It truly has been liberating, to borrow a word. </p>
<p>And Brian, I&#8217;m not kidding about women&#8217;s advocates fervently believing in the interest issue as they do. They truly think that the only thing keeping women from playing sports at the same rates as men is men keeping them down. About this they are as strident as any issue related to Title IX. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got some other thoughts on this subject and some reaction since last week&#8217;s story that I&#8217;ll post here on Monday, so stay tuned!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Terrell</title>
		<link>http://www.wendyparker.org/2011/04/the-real-elephant-of-title-ix-sports-compliance/#comment-4082</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Terrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 20:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;party line&quot; of interest being equal is literally laughable and complete B.S. Any women&#039;s advocate that actually believes this (as opposed to simply making a political point) is a complete fool.

The real tragedy of Title IX is that government is deciding, based upon completely arbitrary and evidence free criteria, that some (I will admit that the number is small) men should be disadvantaged (save me the line that women &quot;don&#039;t want&quot; this-in reality, that is what must happen given the law as it stands) so that a greater number of women can PLAY SPORTS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;party line&#8221; of interest being equal is literally laughable and complete B.S. Any women&#8217;s advocate that actually believes this (as opposed to simply making a political point) is a complete fool.</p>
<p>The real tragedy of Title IX is that government is deciding, based upon completely arbitrary and evidence free criteria, that some (I will admit that the number is small) men should be disadvantaged (save me the line that women &#8220;don&#8217;t want&#8221; this-in reality, that is what must happen given the law as it stands) so that a greater number of women can PLAY SPORTS</p>
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		<title>By: Carey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 16:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great work. Finally, an intellectually honest piece on this subject. 

My question is this (And I worked for a similar, if not higher regarded paper for 12 years): What would your former editors have thought of this retort? Would they have encouraged it? Or burried it in fear of not being see as &quot;enlightened&quot; enough by their peers?  

I tried to write on this subject (the demise of men&#039;s wrestling) too, and it was squashed. I covered a 4-time state champ whose only scholarship (not full rides either) were at small D-III schools in Ohio (I&#039;m in Florida).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great work. Finally, an intellectually honest piece on this subject. </p>
<p>My question is this (And I worked for a similar, if not higher regarded paper for 12 years): What would your former editors have thought of this retort? Would they have encouraged it? Or burried it in fear of not being see as &#8220;enlightened&#8221; enough by their peers?  </p>
<p>I tried to write on this subject (the demise of men&#8217;s wrestling) too, and it was squashed. I covered a 4-time state champ whose only scholarship (not full rides either) were at small D-III schools in Ohio (I&#8217;m in Florida).</p>
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		<title>By: BB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 06:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The southern school with the rowing team added in the late 90&#039;s is probably Clemson.  It was a pretty sad state of affairs when they started (I was in school there at the time) with women signing up who had no idea what they were doing, but they eventually won an ACC title (2009) and stay in the top 10-15 nationally.  From what I can tell, there has never been a lack of support monetarily from the Ath. Dept.  Interestingly, they have a recruitment form on their website that potential students can fill out in order to be recruited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The southern school with the rowing team added in the late 90&#8217;s is probably Clemson.  It was a pretty sad state of affairs when they started (I was in school there at the time) with women signing up who had no idea what they were doing, but they eventually won an ACC title (2009) and stay in the top 10-15 nationally.  From what I can tell, there has never been a lack of support monetarily from the Ath. Dept.  Interestingly, they have a recruitment form on their website that potential students can fill out in order to be recruited.</p>
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		<title>By: LFN</title>
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		<dc:creator>LFN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote a similar critique of the NYT series of articles as well - you can visit my blog, linked above, to read it - but it&#039;s worthy of mention that Ms. Thomas doesn&#039;t mention at all what the proportionality test is in the original article.  Not once - and something, you&#039;d think, would be a crucial piece of information to include in the article.

My blog posting also takes exception at some other aspects not mentioned here, like their &quot;poll&quot; on female participation, polling tricks and trends that were omitted because it didn&#039;t fit the thesis.  But overall, this is a spot-on blog posting on the topic.  Great work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote a similar critique of the NYT series of articles as well &#8211; you can visit my blog, linked above, to read it &#8211; but it&#8217;s worthy of mention that Ms. Thomas doesn&#8217;t mention at all what the proportionality test is in the original article.  Not once &#8211; and something, you&#8217;d think, would be a crucial piece of information to include in the article.</p>
<p>My blog posting also takes exception at some other aspects not mentioned here, like their &#8220;poll&#8221; on female participation, polling tricks and trends that were omitted because it didn&#8217;t fit the thesis.  But overall, this is a spot-on blog posting on the topic.  Great work.</p>
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		<title>By: Beau Dure</title>
		<link>http://www.wendyparker.org/2011/04/the-real-elephant-of-title-ix-sports-compliance/#comment-4055</link>
		<dc:creator>Beau Dure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work, Wendy. I think the issue here is that the second and third prongs aren&#039;t as strong as they should be, and I&#039;ve heard women&#039;s sports advocates say that as well. 

The @USAWrestling Twitter feed raised something that the NYT should consider down the road -- when female wrestlers such as Patricia Miranda wrestle with men&#039;s teams, they&#039;re considered &quot;male&quot; athletes.

Eric -- My guess is that whatever the other Eric said just didn&#039;t fit with the story. As I&#039;ve said before, with all due respect, I don&#039;t think the CSC responds well to the issues. The statements on the blog today about the NYT piece don&#039;t really address any of the issues it raises. And I don&#039;t think the NYT piece was written to silence &quot;credible critics&quot; -- it demonstrates, without any rhetoric, that the law has become quite convoluted. The fact that athletic directors are being forced to grab people around campus just to fill roster spots speaks far more clearly to the issue.

That said, it&#039;s worth emphasizing that the NYT says this is the **first** of several stories on the topic. Let&#039;s see how this continues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work, Wendy. I think the issue here is that the second and third prongs aren&#8217;t as strong as they should be, and I&#8217;ve heard women&#8217;s sports advocates say that as well. </p>
<p>The @USAWrestling Twitter feed raised something that the NYT should consider down the road &#8212; when female wrestlers such as Patricia Miranda wrestle with men&#8217;s teams, they&#8217;re considered &#8220;male&#8221; athletes.</p>
<p>Eric &#8212; My guess is that whatever the other Eric said just didn&#8217;t fit with the story. As I&#8217;ve said before, with all due respect, I don&#8217;t think the CSC responds well to the issues. The statements on the blog today about the NYT piece don&#8217;t really address any of the issues it raises. And I don&#8217;t think the NYT piece was written to silence &#8220;credible critics&#8221; &#8212; it demonstrates, without any rhetoric, that the law has become quite convoluted. The fact that athletic directors are being forced to grab people around campus just to fill roster spots speaks far more clearly to the issue.</p>
<p>That said, it&#8217;s worth emphasizing that the NYT says this is the **first** of several stories on the topic. Let&#8217;s see how this continues.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric McErlain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric McErlain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a very solid deconstruction of yesterday&#039;s story. One minor point that you should be aware of: Katie Thomas spoke extensively with Eric Pearson, the Chairman of the College Sports Council, concerning the practice of roster management, yet not one quote from him ended up in the final article. According to Pearson, who I spoke to yesterday, this isn&#039;t the first time that Thomas has done this, and it has the practical effect of making it seem as if there aren&#039;t any credible critics of the law taking part in the debate.

Bottom line: the exclusion of Pearson appears, at least to us, to be purposeful, and not simply an oversight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a very solid deconstruction of yesterday&#8217;s story. One minor point that you should be aware of: Katie Thomas spoke extensively with Eric Pearson, the Chairman of the College Sports Council, concerning the practice of roster management, yet not one quote from him ended up in the final article. According to Pearson, who I spoke to yesterday, this isn&#8217;t the first time that Thomas has done this, and it has the practical effect of making it seem as if there aren&#8217;t any credible critics of the law taking part in the debate.</p>
<p>Bottom line: the exclusion of Pearson appears, at least to us, to be purposeful, and not simply an oversight.</p>
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