Comments on: Gender and coaching women’s basketball, Part II http://www.wendyparker.org/2012/03/gender-and-coaching-womens-basketball-part-ii/ Discoveries, rants and comfort-food cravings of a sports omnivore. Tue, 21 May 2013 10:38:35 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Bern http://www.wendyparker.org/2012/03/gender-and-coaching-womens-basketball-part-ii/#comment-8520 Bern Tue, 03 Apr 2012 15:34:42 +0000 http://www.wendyparker.org/?p=4050#comment-8520 @ Kacey - I played college roundball on scholarship and I spent my career in the corporate world. I can tell you confidently that if anything HR Departments in the major corporations bend over backwards to hire and promote any applicant from a protected class if they possibly can. They track it, push it and manage to it. I lived it. Anyone that tells you differently is not telling the truth. For the record I'm talking about the finance arms of General Motors, Toyota, Nissan and Mitsubishi where I was manager level or higher during my career. I promoted lots of qualified women to great jobs. I also played an active role in firing those that thought they could get by on their gender and not brains, talent and hard work. Here is a very interesting piece on the coaching thing. His point being, real world experience matters, in coaching and everything else. http://www.swishappeal.com/2011/4/21/2125267/ncaa-womens-basketball-coaching-why-developing-expertise-at-mid Funny thing is he published this in 2011, long before Fagan's recent gendered diatribe. @ Kacey – I played college roundball on scholarship and I spent my career in the corporate world. I can tell you confidently that if anything HR Departments in the major corporations bend over backwards to hire and promote any applicant from a protected class if they possibly can. They track it, push it and manage to it. I lived it. Anyone that tells you differently is not telling the truth. For the record I’m talking about the finance arms of General Motors, Toyota, Nissan and Mitsubishi where I was manager level or higher during my career. I promoted lots of qualified women to great jobs. I also played an active role in firing those that thought they could get by on their gender and not brains, talent and hard work.

Here is a very interesting piece on the coaching thing. His point being, real world experience matters, in coaching and everything else.

http://www.swishappeal.com/2011/4/21/2125267/ncaa-womens-basketball-coaching-why-developing-expertise-at-mid

Funny thing is he published this in 2011, long before Fagan’s recent gendered diatribe.

]]> By: Wendy Parker http://www.wendyparker.org/2012/03/gender-and-coaching-womens-basketball-part-ii/#comment-8497 Wendy Parker Sun, 01 Apr 2012 21:56:12 +0000 http://www.wendyparker.org/?p=4050#comment-8497 I'd love to see your research Kacey. As for Brian Agler, he's never gotten a second chance to coach in the college game. That should have been clarified in the story. The same goes for Pokey Chatman, who's in the WNBA with very little scrutiny about what she left behind at LSU. I know of a few male coaches who crashed out at the college level and never got a second chance either. This isn't e a gender-specific issue, but certain people with an agenda -- the careers of women coaches -- are always going to exaggerate these things. "The Glass Wall" is built on a faulty premise. Discrimination is never going to go away completely, but to suggest things are as bad as they were years ago is fundamentally wrong and dishonest. I’d love to see your research Kacey. As for Brian Agler, he’s never gotten a second chance to coach in the college game. That should have been clarified in the story. The same goes for Pokey Chatman, who’s in the WNBA with very little scrutiny about what she left behind at LSU. I know of a few male coaches who crashed out at the college level and never got a second chance either.

This isn’t e a gender-specific issue, but certain people with an agenda — the careers of women coaches — are always going to exaggerate these things. “The Glass Wall” is built on a faulty premise. Discrimination is never going to go away completely, but to suggest things are as bad as they were years ago is fundamentally wrong and dishonest.

]]> By: Kacey http://www.wendyparker.org/2012/03/gender-and-coaching-womens-basketball-part-ii/#comment-8496 Kacey Sun, 01 Apr 2012 21:02:32 +0000 http://www.wendyparker.org/?p=4050#comment-8496 Actually, the "research" that you mention is very well researched because I did a similar thesis on gender and Title IX. Mine was not on this particular subject, but the information is out there, you just have to know where to look. If you know you're not going to like what you read, don't read. Sure, some of isn't true, but a lot of it is. Especially the part about no second chances. Very few female coaches receive second chances, most especially if they play by the rules and try to enforce the institutions that they work at to as well. Males, on the other hand, get chance after chance after chance. Brian Alger is a great example. Qualified candidates...bull----. It really doesn't matter what profession you are in. If there is a male in charge, it's still the good ol' boys club. Most men will deny that all they want, but it's true, even out in the real non-athletic world. Discrimination happens daily. I wish I could say it doesn't, but, sadly, it's still a man's world. Actually, the “research” that you mention is very well researched because I did a similar thesis on gender and Title IX. Mine was not on this particular subject, but the information is out there, you just have to know where to look. If you know you’re not going to like what you read, don’t read. Sure, some of isn’t true, but a lot of it is. Especially the part about no second chances. Very few female coaches receive second chances, most especially if they play by the rules and try to enforce the institutions that they work at to as well. Males, on the other hand, get chance after chance after chance. Brian Alger is a great example. Qualified candidates…bull—-. It really doesn’t matter what profession you are in. If there is a male in charge, it’s still the good ol’ boys club. Most men will deny that all they want, but it’s true, even out in the real non-athletic world. Discrimination happens daily. I wish I could say it doesn’t, but, sadly, it’s still a man’s world.

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